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Subject: TRINITY
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may2011 20.04.10 - 10:08am
Kick off! *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:11am
well i thort you would tell about the history of trinity about the 4th century stuff that happened. but since you've given me the chance to go i'l just make things simple. *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:13am
if God was a trinity dont you think he would have made it clear that 3 is 1...?. *
may2011 20.04.10 - 10:14am
Ok. First things first. Trinity is one God manifested in three eternally co-existing, co-equal and co-eternal persons. These three share the same essence of Godhood and can therefore not be referred to as three gods, although each is fully God by himself. Hope i didn't confuse you *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:14am
the only scripture in the bible that describes 3 in 1 is 1 john 5:7 of the king james. and everyone knows it is not authentic. you know that as well *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:16am
wot does that tell you about the idea of 3 in 1...?. *
may2011 20.04.10 - 10:21am
He made it absolutely clear as I'll show. As for the history of the trinity, it was started by Jesus who through his teachings showed the divinity of all three persons, especially the baptismal formula of matthew 28:19. The word itself 'trinity' was first used by Tertullian in 200 A.D. It was not necessary to define the trinity as it was universal christian belief, until the church was forced by heresies to do so in 325 A.D. Nicaea did not decide church doctrine, it upheld or affirmed it. Have you read about Arius? He held to beliefs which were deemed heresy by the apologists and apparently his modern-day heirs are Jehovah's Witnesses. His doctrine was denounced at Nicaea. *
may2011 20.04.10 - 10:24am
Please don't use the 'later addition' tactic. I can also use it to prove my point. Read John 1:1 the word was God, with capital G, not a god as you render it. Jesus is the word. *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:28am
im not using any sorts of tactics. you've got the NIV have a look at 1 john 5:7 and have a look at wot it says at the bottom of the page *
may2011 20.04.10 - 10:30am
Do you believe God is the creator? According to colossians 1:16, all things were created by Jesus. Therefore Jesus is God. *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:31am
it tells you straight ''not found in any greek m cripts befor the sixteenth century'' *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:33am
lets sort things out 1step at a time. you've seen wot im talking about in your bible. i know you've seen it because you have a niv *
may2011 20.04.10 - 10:39am
I have seen it but its not the only verse which teaches trinity, so it makes no difference. My other verses? *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:42am
its the only verse that says '3 in 1'. but now ask yourself this. why would they ADD a verse saying that 3-in-1 in the first place....? *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:44am
im gonna get to those other scriptures mate. i just wanna get 1 thing done and move on to the next *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:48am
theres something else i want you to notice with 1 john 5:8 *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 10:51am
everyone knows that its not authentic right....?. if you look at 1 john 5:7 of your king james... compare it with 1 john 5:7 of your NIV bible. wot do you notice....?. *
may2011 20.04.10 - 10:53am
It could be copyst errors. *
may2011 20.04.10 - 11:08am
Ok who created the world. If you think its God you have no choice but to accept that Jesus is God because colossians 1:16 says its him who created all things. *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 11:09am
lets say it was a copyist error, they still print this error. ??? *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 11:11am
do you see how badly they dont want to lose the idea taught in that non authentic scripture....?. *
may2011 20.04.10 - 11:23am
At least some versions have corrected it. But thats not the point. The bible is full of trinity scriptures. *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 11:52am
how have they corrected it....? *
may2011 20.04.10 - 12:05pm
Thats 1 of a hundred verses on trinity. I've made a topic on one verse as you requested. *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 12:12pm
do you agree that this scripture is out though....?. *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 12:19pm
you havent told me how they have corrected it...? and do you see how badly they want that false scripture in the bible....? *
may2011 20.04.10 - 12:32pm
Ok but lets not focus too much on one verse. *
unquiet1 20.04.10 - 02:30pm
this scripture in 1 John 5 is the only scripture that describes trinity (3in1). all the other scriptures you are gonna show me are of Jehovah and Jesus. thats 2 ppl. are you using them to show that 3in1...? or 2in1...? *
may2011 28.04.10 - 08:42am
Matthew 28:19 mentions all three. thats three-in-one. Just wonderig.... what formula do you use to baptose since you don't believe in the trinity? *
unquiet1 28.04.10 - 09:09am
you're not continuing with the discussion here, can you see that....?. you are bringing in other ideas and avoiding the questions about how 1 john 5:7 has been corrected in the king james. and about why they keep squeezing it back in when they know its wrong and why they would try squeeze in scriptures about 3-in-1 in the 1st place. make a new topic for matthew 28:19 so we can discuss it there. *
may2011 28.04.10 - 09:19am
ok 1 John 5:7 may have been squeezed in but its not the only one that hints at trinity *
unquiet1 28.04.10 - 09:24am
now ask yourself why they squeezed it in. and why they still carry on printing it in bibles. when many bible scholars know its wrong. dont answer that on here. just think about it to yourself. *
unquiet1 28.04.10 - 09:29am
i didnt think you'd actually mention matthew 28:19 as many other trinitarians admit that it doesn support trinity. but i'l make a new topic for it anyway. *
